Season 1: The L-Shape Bonus Episode – SkOP Responds- A response to the Education Secretary’s FE speech with Social Market Foundation Produced by Ashmita Randhawa (@Rand_Ash) and James Robson (@elpug). Music composed and performed by Francis Pugh and the Whisky Singers. Guest : Susan James Relly , Director, SKOPE Research Centre (@SKOPEOxford) , Department of Education (@OxfordDeptofEd), University of Oxford. Follow her on Twitter: @SusanJamesRelly In this bonus episode ‘SkOP Responds’, we speak with Susan James Relly to gauge her reactions to the Education Secretary Gavin Williams’ speech on FE, where he set out his vision for Further Education and long term change. This podcast explores the tension that exists in the Tertiary sector between FE and HE , and we get Susan’s thoughts on why this exists and what could be done to mitigate it. We also hear Susan’s thoughts on what is misunderstood about FE, learn about the good work that already exists, and what she would like to see in the Government’s upcoming White Paper. Relevant readings: Gavin Williamson’ speech on FE at the Social Market Foundation Susan James Relly’s report for WorldSkillsUk: Good people in a flawed system: the challenges of mainstreaming excellence in technical education